17th Annual DSM/EVO Shootout

[DragNRacing.com]

The TT is a great idea mixed in with some grudge racing and bet$

[BISHILVR]

As corney as it sounds, I was talking to a few people at the shootout and we thought that it might be interesting to do a forum roll call at say the dyno competition. Maybe have a sign up sheet inside so that any member of this site can register in the morning to prove that they are there and then at some point read off the names and have the members raise their hands so that we can actually place a human with the screen name and see who we have been insulting all this time!

[dd_man]

As corney as it sounds, I was talking to a few people at the shootout and we thought that it might be interesting to do a forum roll call at say the dyno competition. Maybe have a sign up sheet inside so that any member of this site can register in the morning to prove that they are there and then at some point read off the names and have the members raise their hands so that we can actually place a human with the screen name and see who we have been insulting all this time!

I like that idea, I think it would be fun to have a bit more of a personal connection than a screen name.

[Spoolin0nYou]

I almost wore a plain white T on Saturday with "Spoolin" written really big on it.

[wishihadatalon]

The DSA class with only 5 cars competing is a piss poor turn out for that class. Honestly, I see no reason to keep the class. The rules for the class have been stretched beyond stock appearing because of complaints over the years to add this or that to the class and I have cooperated. Finding out that there ended up being only 5 cars in the class makes me realize the class is pretty dead.

I would think that running in one of the Bracket classes or simply upgrading the turbo and running in DSE makes more sense.

I'll have to give it some thought but with this information I am thinking the class will more than likely be cancelled.

Sad to see it go because it is a fun class to compete in, but every dsmer thinks that they need a 50 trim or bigger to be fast now Too bad they can't even make a stock car idle properly before they go with a bigger setup. The decision to end it is understandable and sad at the same time

[dsmcrazyspiff]

Sad to see it go because it is a fun class to compete in, but every dsmer thinks that they need a 50 trim or bigger to be fast now Too bad they can't even make a stock car idle properly before they go with a bigger setup. The decision to end it is understandable and sad at the same time

I second that

[BLACKBIRD]

The DSA class with only 5 cars competing is a piss poor turn out for that class. Honestly, I see no reason to keep the class. The rules for the class have been stretched beyond stock appearing because of complaints over the years to add this or that to the class and I have cooperated. Finding out that there ended up being only 5 cars in the class makes me realize the class is pretty dead.

I would think that running in one of the Bracket classes or simply upgrading the turbo and running in DSE makes more sense.

I'll have to give it some thought but with this information I am thinking the class will more than likely be cancelled.

I obviously run DSE but I would hate to see the DSA class leave. We as a shop/team did have 2 cars in the DSA class this year. One came runner up and unfortunately the other had a day ending problem on his first pass. We do have at least 4 other serious DSA cars that couldn't make the event. So what im saying is, there are DSA cars out there.....they just have to get there ass out to the event and compete.

Dave....I know you are probably bombared with class questions but I would like to air out 1 issue that our guys have with the DSA rules. This issue is the aftermarket fuel pressure regulator rule. Do you think we could wave that rule? Running an Evo316G turbo to its max requires accurate control of fuel pressure, thus requiring an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. I believe that there are way more benifical mods already allowed in the DSA class.

While im on the topic of suggestions.
Do you think that there could be a more generous time allowed between runs next year? Especailly when the rounds get closer to the finals. Most would agree that for the racers on Sunday, we did not have anywhere near enough time between runs to check our cars over and allow the cars some "cool down" time. I know that you don't want the event running into the night but it did seem like the track officials had somewhere important they had to be the way they were running us through.

Thanks for the space and again......great event.

[logic]

I've always wondered about these posts asking about the "rules" for a stock-appearing class. (Sorry, I don't mean to pick on your post, you just happened to bring it up. )

I mean, it's stock-appearing. In other words, if you pulled up to someone who knew their way around a DSM and they popped the hood or took a close look around the car, they would look at it and reasonably think "yeah, that looks stock". No crawling around on the ground or putting the car up on jackstands: if you were to be setting up a race, would your opponent think the car is stock?

Do we really need set-in-stone rules for that? Seriously?

[BLACKBIRD]

I hear what you are saying.
The fact is that the cars that are in the DSA class are FAR from stock or at least can be far from stock. Now because there ARE rules to the class the competitors in the class with push as close to the rules as possible to be competitive. The DSA class will always be governed by there turbo size but what im saying is......whats an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator at the end of the equation?

[92laser]

LOl stock appearing hell look at the evos. There may have only been like 3 evos that could have actaully passed for stock.

[blackbichGSX]

Sucks DSA is going to be canceled. My car runs a low 12 and would meet the requirement for the DSA class, but I also can't afford to drive out there and take the chance of making a pass.

I am guessing that most people fall under this class, but the car is the one they DD and also the one that makes the trip. It is hard to take the chance of breaking a tranny or transfer case 350+ miles away from home.

[wishihadatalon]

I obviously run DSE but I would hate to see the DSA class leave. We as a shop/team did have 2 cars in the DSA class this year. One came runner up and unfortunately the other had a day ending problem on his first pass. We do have at least 4 other serious DSA cars that couldn't make the event. So what im saying is, there are DSA cars out there.....they just have to get there ass out to the event and compete.

Dave....I know you are probably bombared with class questions but I would like to air out 1 issue that our guys have with the DSA rules. This issue is the aftermarket fuel pressure regulator rule. Do you think we could wave that rule? Running an Evo316G turbo to its max requires accurate control of fuel pressure, thus requiring an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. I believe that there are way more benifical mods already allowed in the DSA class.

While im on the topic of suggestions.
Do you think that there could be a more generous time allowed between runs next year? Especailly when the rounds get closer to the finals. Most would agree that for the racers on Sunday, we did not have anywhere near enough time between runs to check our cars over and allow the cars some "cool down" time. I know that you don't want the event running into the night but it did seem like the track officials had somewhere important they had to be the way they were running us through.

Thanks for the space and again......great event.

We didn't run an fpr this year and we had zero issues with fueling. Car idled great at 14.7 afr and held consistent WOT afrs every single pull.

[David Buschur]

There seems to be some confusion here.

There is absolutely NO need for a fuel pressure regulator on the car. None, zero. My EVO RS has the "same" fuel pressure regulator as the DSM. My RS has run 9.42 at 155.78 mph on the stock regulator. Kevin's car has the stock regulator on it, made 595 whp on our dyno. Seems to me that with most things DSM related now-a-days things are just being done wrong.

The DSA class is now slower by quite a bit than it was back in 1994 when my car ran 121 mph and did actually look stock under the hood. Not this hacked up crap I have allowed to be implemented into the rules because of complaints over the years. That was on a side mount intercooler too.

The purpose of the class isn't/wasn't for you to "roll up on someone" and have it look stock. That's a rediculous thing to think. So put a GT35r on it and keep the exterior stock looking and it's OK? Uh, no.

The real problem with the class is the hack jobs that I have allowed to happen over the last few years because of requests. In reality there should be NO FMIC's, NO FPR's, NO MAF translators, A/C intact, engine and a/c fans still in and everything else. That was stock appearing and how the class was set up. With the change of times I have allowed the FMIC's, taking crap off, these piss poor MAF jobs I keep seeing etc. Maybe you guys weren't there back in the day, I understand that but what is allowed in DSA now was way out of the rules a few years ago. The sad part is the cars are slower in that class now then they were years ago.

As for the cool down. The track rental we do is Sunday. The track personel have been working Friday night, all day Saturday until late into the night and then Sunday. They are tired and want to get home. Same with all of us at the shop. This is another case of me just being confused too. Again, my RS was running 9.5's at this years race, I was pushed through at the same rate as everyone else. The last two runs were the quickest/fastest of the entire day. Our black car ran 8.96 at 166, we had no problem with that either and went to the semi-finals and in between rounds even have to repack the parachute.

I think this comes down to if you are having problems that won't allow you to make the next round the car probably isn't prepped well enough. I mean we are talking about cars running for 12 seconds at time in most of these cases, how much time do you need to prep from something like that?

[LilRico]

Where at? I called Best Western and Amerihost and they won't have prices till next week sometime.

Best thing to do, is reserve the room online... You bypass all of that and this pass event it was about $80 - $120 cheaper to get it online then it was to call on the phone reserve the room, AND use a military discount, so that's something to keep in mind.

Already looking forward to coming back to the sticks huh? lol

You better bring your car next year.

I'm so down for next year it isn't funny. I didn't know what to expect, so I went there with no expectations except for meeting you guys and seeing what the shop was all about. Well I was there Thursday and I was getting worried when I didn't see any EVO's. About Friday night things got on par, but Saturday was nuts, and Sunday was something else. I have huge plans to compete next year. I hope to be running good in the stock appearing class, so we'll see... A lot of tough competition out there... I just hope to have tons of fun again and I love the fact that the whole 6 days I was away from home I spent less then $450 on food, gas, and going to Cider Point, which for me, is a huge plus!

[Spoolin0nYou]

I love the fact that the whole 6 days I was away from home I spent less then $450 on food, gas, and going to Cider Point, which for me, is a huge plus!

Holy hell.

I was there for 2 days. I spent ~$300.

Worth every penny, too.

[BLACKBIRD]

I think this comes down to if you are having problems that won't allow you to make the next round the car probably isn't prepped well enough.

Prepped well enough to win the class I was in and also run my fastest time of the day in my last pass.
Im not looking for an argument. In one of your previous posts, you did for suggestions on the DSA class and I just threw in that they were hussling us through quite quickly. Done and done, next year we'll run a fan on the car in the pits for a quicker cool down.
I understand what you are saying about stretched rules in the DSA class over the years.
I'll throw another idea at you......
How about DSA class is TDO5 and a relatively clean car on the outside.
THAT'S IT!!!!!! Kind of like how you are running the dyno comp. There aren't too many darn near stock DSMs left out there so just let them all in with the 2 above rules and hopefully that will fill the class.

At the end of the day Dave, its your event and it does go off very well. Im not even in the DSA class but I would certainly hate to see it go.

[ScottH]

Best thing to do, is reserve the room online... You bypass all of that and this pass event it was about $80 - $120 cheaper to get it online then it was to call on the phone reserve the room, AND use a military discount, so that's something to keep in mind.

Where online are you reserving? I tried online with a couple diff places and it was to early to reserve that far ahead.

[Spoolin0nYou]

Where online are you reserving? I tried online with a couple diff places and it was to early to reserve that far ahead.

+1

Nobody will let me book this early.

[LilRico]

Holy hell.

I was there for 2 days. I spent ~$300.

Worth every penny, too.

I cheated because I rode up in a civic and JestR leaaaaannnnedddd it out. So we got about 430 miles to the tank! That helped big time

IDK what I did to get the room, but it went through... I'm going to call tomorrow to make sure I actually got it. Also, Dan got double charged for the room that we stayed at. Best Western has no idea how it happened, but now we're waiting for a refund or something... No biggy, The Best Western folks seem like good people...

[diambo4life]

Dave....I know you are probably bombared with class questions but I would like to air out 1 issue that our guys have with the DSA rules. This issue is the aftermarket fuel pressure regulator rule. Do you think we could wave that rule? Running an Evo316G turbo to its max requires accurate control of fuel pressure, thus requiring an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator. I believe that there are way more benifical mods already allowed in the DSA class.

That defeats the whole purpose of the class. IMO, there shouldn't even be FMICs on DSMs in stock appearing since they did not come with them stock.

BTW, I run a stock FPR in my 91 DSM perfectly fine with NO problems. It's daily driven. You shouldn't have an issue with one in DSA.