where to go next for fast stock block evo

[foxmr]

Whats up guys i have a 05 MR that i am looking to get low 11's or even 10's with stock block this season. i do drive the car when its nice but i have a dd also. i would like to go e85 cause its easy to get here. and im just looking for suggestions from people who know how to obtain power and not b.s. me about it i have 3k to spend rite now.
here is a mod list as of rite now
buschur pure power package
hks 272's
exedy stage 2
arp headstuds
ams fmic
ams licp
ams fuel rail
stm fuel return kit with aeromotive fpr
jmf intake
bc br full coilovers
buschur down pipe
buschur full exhaust w/ greddy evo2 muffler
aem truboost
my best time last year was a 12.3 at 111.49 with a 1.708 60 ft but i was only out twice due to work so i wasnt in the groove yet.
thanks joshua

[metalsaber]

E85 probably would be your cheapest upgrade for power. I'm assuming your still running the stock turbo? If so, that might be your next investment with the E85 or after.

You'd also need injectors with those.

[warp9]

What turbo you running and at what boost?

[foxmr]

Rite now I'm still on the stock turbo at 20 psi I am undecided
on a black or something bigger like a 6262.
And what management do you think would be best
aem stand alone or stock ecu. I am only about 2 hours
from buschur so getting tuned isn't a big deal.
Thanks Joshua

[metalsaber]

^^

FP Black with E85 would be a nice combo.

[K-turbo]

Not on a stock block! Lol That would be a bad combination. There was a guy running E85 on an HTA green and blew his stock block from all the torque. I say try the stock turbo on E85 with some better cam's.

[foxmr]

If it's the same guy I know he was doing
4th gear pulls at low speeds which is the reason
for the big bang. Plus STM ran 10.0 on stock block
and head.
E85 is a deffinate but I wonder if I should go aem
or stock ecu?
For the turbo choice I am undecided cause I'm going
with a br 2.0 and stage 3 head for next year and don't
know if a black is worth the money considering future
plans. If I could do a 6262 and not destroy my core that
would be nice.
Thanks Joshua

[David Buschur]

From the looks of the MPH the best thing you can do right now is get another tune. Who tuned the car? Was it me? Why is the boost so low? 20 psi is pretty low. E85 would be a very nice gain and it's not unheard of to go 10's on the stock turbo. I'd use either the FP Red or Black on the car with your goals, both turbos would easily get you there.

[erald01]

dont forget that if you gona go e85 on a daily basis you gona need to upgrade your fuel lines. But if you want to go the simple route get a evo9 turbo, e85, bigger injectors and you will be fine.

[K-turbo]

I just noticed you still have the VIII turbo. None the less I was just tuned on E85 with the same turbo as you and put down 410whp and 445wtq on E85. Yeah it was on a dynojet but it will still run low 11's IMO. I have GSC S1 cams which give it incredible torque in the mid range. With 70 less hp and 100 less torque I was trapping 115 with this same turbo last year in a full weight evo.

[project_skyline]

dont forget that if you gona go e85 on a daily basis you gona need to upgrade your fuel lines. But if you want to go the simple route get a evo9 turbo, e85, bigger injectors and you will be fine.

Why does he need to upgrade his fuel lines? We have been running e85 for 3-4 years straight with no one reporting any problems with fuel lines.

[foxmr]

From the looks of the MPH the best thing you can do right now is get another tune. Who tuned the car? Was it me? Why is the boost so low? 20 psi is pretty low. E85 would be a very nice gain and it's not unheard of to go 10's on the stock turbo. I'd use either the FP Red or Black on the car with your goals, both turbos would easily get you there.

thanks for the input David and yes I bought the car in 08 with the pure power package installed and it had your flash on the stock ecu. I spoke with you on the phone back then about it. Anyway what do you reccomend for engine management , it will be you doing the tuning and do you think it's a bad idea to go with a bigger turbo setup with stock block?

Regarding the lines I was wanting to do ss an lines
from tank to engine bay but was told I could use stock lines and be ok.
Thanks Joshua

[David Buschur]

I don't want to make anyone feel dumb but be very careful what you listen to on the internet, this thread is a good example.

You do NOT need to upgrade your fuel lines!! Whatever you do don't fuck up another good EVO buy changing fuel lines.

Fuel management, stick with the stock ECU, there is NO reason to change it with the goals you have. I'd suggest getting some E85 and coming to the shop with the car. Let me try to tune it again on the E85 and let's see where it ends up.

You need about 430 whp on our dyno and a good driver to run 10's. That can be reached on the Red or Black, don't even look at a larger turbo than either of those.

[foxmr]

thanks for the quick responses david i appreciate it and this will probably be were im going with it this year til i blow my clutch or tranny haha. any other good supporting mods that will ease my way to this goal before i bring it to you?

[David Buschur]

For E85 you are going to need to upgrade the injectors and for the power goals you have the single Walbro should be border line OK on 1,000 cc injectors.

[foxmr]

so 1000 cc injectors will be enough for the e85 cause some guys down here are saying atleast 1300or more for e85. and what injectors do you like to use just trying to go with what you like to use since your doing the tuning.

[metalsaber]

What the others are probably saying is that you will need larger injectors to get the most out of E85 tune. David is saying that you can probably get your goals with the 1000cc and single fuel pump with a pretty conservative tune.

[FL_SilverEvo8]

I am in the same boat for the what the next upgrade I should do. Turbo would be nice with bigger injectors(1000cc). But people are telling not to go with the FP Black but to go with the FP Red. It is confusing. If Buschur could chime in it would be great. They are saying that the FP Black hits so much TQ at a low RPM that the stock block doesn't like it all that much. I can't go with the E85 because I don't have it where I live. So that is out of the question. What to do, what to do hhhhhmmmmm?

I have been think about a bigger framed tubo. Like the HTA35r or something a tad bit smaller. Reason being the TQ numbers have been good and they don't jump up at a low RPM. And the HP is holds all the way to red line. I have notice that stock framed turbos hit their peak then fall down.

So what do you all think? Buschur or anyone some good advice is needed.

Here are my mods:

Frankie's 2005 EVO 8 (stock turbo),B/R STAGE 1, 2, & 3 KIT: (I do have half of 4 and half of 5)
BR TBE
BR MBC
BR AIR FILTER
BR FUEL PUMP
BR UPPER & LOWER INERCOOLER PIPE
BR RACE BATTERY
BR RACE FRONT MOUNT I/C
BR PORTED EXHUST MANIFOLD
EPM O2
HKS 272 CAMS
EXDEY TWIN DISC CLUTCH
FORGE BOV
COOLING MIST KIT
ARP HEAD STUDS
BUSHWAKER TRANNY
SHEP STAGE 2 T-CASE
93 OCT - 20/80METH
Jester Dyno Tune
1.8-60FT.- 12.1@113MPH

[metalsaber]

I am in the same boat for the what the next upgrade I should do. Turbo would be nice with bigger injectors(1000cc). But people are telling not to go with the FP Black but to go with the FP Red. It is confusing. If Buschur could chime in it would be great. They are saying that the FP Black hits so much TQ at a low RPM that the stock block doesn't like it all that much. I can't go with the E85 because I don't have it where I live. So that is out of the question. What to do, what to do hhhhhmmmmm?

I have been think about a bigger framed tubo. Like the HTA35r or something a tad bit smaller. Reason being the TQ numbers have been good and they don't jump up at a low RPM. And the HP is holds all the way to red line. I have notice that stock framed turbos hit their peak then fall down.

So what do you all think? Buschur or anyone some good advice is needed.

I'm running the FP Black. Buschur Racing installed it last week and it runs great. It's running a fairly mild tune. I'm sure David could chime in, but I wasn't interested in pushing this thing too hard. I'm not looking to build an engine in the near future. Here are my mods: BR 84mm intake pipe for the FP Red/Black and filter, BR LICP/UICP, BR Race FMIC, BR Turboback Exhaust (with Cat), HKS 272 cams, 1000cc Injectors, BR o2 Housing, ported FP Black Turbo, ported stock Intake and Exhaust manifold, BR 65mm Throttle Body. I'm running on Pump 93 octane.

I realize I'm losing some power running the Cat and while there is no emission inspection in my area, I just wanted to stay safe/legal. I probably could have made some more power had I went with more aggressive cams. Besides the things I mentioned, I'm about out of options for more power besides a built engine, higher octane gas, E85, or meth. I can tell you now that the car pulls very hard up till red line and feels like it wants to keep on going.

I would go with the Black imo.

[K-turbo]

After my stock turbo blows up I'll be purchasing a black and running it on pump. I also have heard that the black is to much for the stock block, but we'll see after more people run it and get results.