5 speed swap

[beastalon]

Just wondering if anyone has done 5 speed swap into a automatic base model esi/rs 2g. Some girl fell asleep while driving home and hit my 5 speed 2g talon esi(Daily) and they said it was totalled, but i found an automatic rs and the tranny needs work. so I just want to swap out mine from the talon to the eclipse. Recommendations? difficulty? mods to the automatic engine that have to be done? Parts that i will need to swap ? I need to have this thing done with the quickness lol. any help is appreciated,, thanks

[projectxmatt]

If its like the 1g. You will need shifter base, shifter cables, ecu, flywheel, starter, starter plate, not sure about the trans mounts, i know on 1g they are different between auto and manual, pedal assembly, i think thats it. Then modification wise you will probably have to cut holes in the firewall for the shifter cables, and the master cyl.

[Rogue]

its pie. especially if you have both cars.

only special tools you will need is a body punch.. aside from that.. it can be done in a weekend.

[teddygram]

http://vfaq.com/index-main.html

-Drivetrain
-Automatic Transmission ( AT to MT Swap link)

All of the insturctions you would need!

Grant

[1gdsmftw]

If its like the 1g. You will need shifter base, shifter cables, ecu, flywheel, starter, starter plate, not sure about the trans mounts, i know on 1g they are different between auto and manual, pedal assembly, i think thats it. Then modification wise you will probably have to cut holes in the firewall for the shifter cables, and the master cyl.

the automatic alternator is actually a higher amp output than the 5 speed because of the overdrive solenoid so no need to swap! a common upgrade in 1gs is the galant 90amp alternator so a 2g is the same way

cutting those holes will be a bitch doing a swap in a 2g or 1g is just a pain in general if anything the best thing to do is just leave it auto and find another 5 speed model...

also though dont forget your going to need a 5 speed computer

[Rogue]

the automatic alternator is actually a higher amp output than the 5 speed because of the overdrive solenoid so no need to swap! a common upgrade in 1gs is the galant 90amp alternator so a 2g is the same way

cutting those holes will be a bitch doing a swap in a 2g or 1g is just a pain in general if anything the best thing to do is just leave it auto and find another 5 speed model...

also though dont forget your going to need a 5 speed computer

No its easy. Their called body punches - google them.



No you dont need a different computer. All you need to do is unplug the tcu.


Please refrain from spreading false information. Thanks.

[1gdsmftw]

...i did not spread false information....theres a reason why computers are sold as an AUTO and MANUAL computer sir

and im well aware of body punches and its not the tool that makes it hard its getting in there to punch those holes its cramped is all

[Rogue]

...i did not spread false information....theres a reason why computers are sold as an AUTO and MANUAL computer sir

and im well aware of body punches and its not the tool that makes it hard its getting in there to punch those holes its cramped is all

oh.. really? damn

How any swaps have you personally done?

[1gdsmftw]

oh.. really? damn

How any swaps have you personally done?

4 swaps 2 on the turbo model and 2 on the 420a model and if you remove the tcu and elave the auto computer in there it will throw a cel if you use the auto computer because its not recognizing that the tcu is there anymore

this is why you need a manual computer....if your in emissions state otherwise u can use auto computer and it wont effect nothing

[1gdsmftw]

i also have done swaps on about 3 saturn s series cars and about to do my 4th

[Rogue]

4 swaps 2 on the turbo model and 2 on the 420a model and if you remove the tcu and elave the auto computer in there it will throw a cel if you use the auto computer because its not recognizing that the tcu is there anymore

this is why you need a manual computer....if your in emissions state otherwise u can use auto computer and it wont effect nothing

Hm.... then I guess I did all my swaps wrong *thumb up*. The ecu only throws a code when the tcu tells it - if it receives no signal, it does not throw a code.


OP - You can listen to this guy, and waste another 150 bucks, or you can ignore him, and you wont have a problem with your auto tcu.

I submit my recent swap as proof

http://highboostforum.com/forum/show...r-GST-5spd-99k

[Rogue]

i also have done swaps on about 3 saturn s series cars and about to do my 4th

Thats all well and dandy my friend - but this is a dsm and not a saturn. Your most likely new to them, or have just done a lot of interwebs reading.

Next are your going to tell me to swap the auto/manual ecu in a 1g when you do that swap too?

[1gdsmftw]

Thats all well and dandy my friend - but this is a dsm and not a saturn. Your most likely new to them, or have just done a lot of interwebs reading.

Next are your going to tell me to swap the auto/manual ecu in a 1g when you do that swap too?

..i am only telling you what ive experianced in previous swaps....theres absolutely no need to talk crap to me about it dude....if the tcu doesnt shoot a signal to the ecu that is programed to read the signal from it than it can and most likely will throw a code

[Rogue]

..i am only telling you what ive experianced in previous swaps....theres absolutely no need to talk crap to me about it dude....if the tcu doesnt shoot a signal to the ecu that is programed to read the signal from it than it can and most likely will throw a code

Then you either did it wrong - or didnt disconnect the tcu. It does not throw a code. I did 2 back to back. Now that I think about it the tcu is actually still in the spyder, just not plugged in. I could plug it back in and see what it does. But the only code we ever got was the EGR, and that was due to a poor vac line arrangement for the MAP sensor.

As for talking crap - theres none of that. Im simply telling you that you are wrong.

[1gdsmftw]

Then you either did it wrong - or didnt disconnect the tcu. It does not throw a code. I did 2 back to back. Now that I think about it the tcu is actually still in the spyder, just not plugged in. I could plug it back in and see what it does. But the only code we ever got was the EGR, and that was due to a poor vac line arrangement for the MAP sensor.

As for talking crap - theres none of that. Im simply telling you that you are wrong.

the swaps i did were correct and it told me faulty tcu when it was unplugged...we swapped the ecu to a manual ecu and it actually went away...

either i didnt clear the code to eliminate it which could have been possible or those particular ecu were just stubborn

[Rogue]

the swaps i did were correct and it told me faulty tcu when it was unplugged...we swapped the ecu to a manual ecu and it actually went away...

either i didnt clear the code to eliminate it which could have been possible or those particular ecu were just stubborn

Likely - your first idea is correct. The trans code p0800 I believe is a hard code. And it is the only code ive seen - like a "generic" shits fucked.. code.

[1gdsmftw]

Likely - your first idea is correct. The trans code p0800 I believe is a hard code. And it is the only code ive seen - like a "generic" shits fucked.. code.

yeah...so it might have just been a oh shit i forgot to clear the code kinda bs but it threw a cel on both swaps and both were the turbo models so yeah lol

op do the swap with original ecu and try to clear the code if it comes up like it did for me and if it goes away ur cool if it dont get a new ecu like i did

btw rogue when i did the swaps i spent a whopping 10 dollars on the ecus lmao